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#21 ChicagoWaterGuy

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Posted 14 December 2016 - 07:22 AM

Rats, I assume. Where I live now, compost piles are illegal, because of them.


This. I haven't seen a rat in a few years since we have lots of feral cats in the area. I still wouldn't want to encourage them. It may be an urban legend but apparently rats love the Chicago river.

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Posted 14 December 2016 - 07:45 AM

I wonder how this compares time, expense, quality, etc. to using a 100 quart cooler/no sparge and a pump.

Really cool that you were able to use the base that you made.

 

 

Expense wise, I have to imagine a Pot/Cooler would be cheaper starting from scratch.  I already had the 25gal pot, hoist and some of the frame.  I had to order the perforated tubing, which wasn't cheap, but not too bad.  The design goal wasn't to save money but to make it simpler.  The goal is to have a full one vessel brew system from mash to fermentation.  I like the idea of never having to transfer liquid, too.  Right now I have a plate chiller, but I'm planning to replace it with an immersion chiller which will double as a heating/cooling coil during fermentation.  



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Posted 14 December 2016 - 08:23 AM

Expense wise, I have to imagine a Pot/Cooler would be cheaper starting from scratch. I already had the 25gal pot, hoist and some of the frame. I had to order the perforated tubing, which wasn't cheap, but not too bad. The design goal wasn't to save money but to make it simpler. The goal is to have a full one vessel brew system from mash to fermentation. I like the idea of never having to transfer liquid, too. Right now I have a plate chiller, but I'm planning to replace it with an immersion chiller which will double as a heating/cooling coil during fermentation.


Makes me wonder if anyone has put a heating element in a conical. You could BIAB, chill then dump the trub.

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Posted 14 December 2016 - 09:06 AM

Makes me wonder if anyone has put a heating element in a conical. You could BIAB, chill then dump the trub.

I think someone (Oldfart) on the green board would boil in his conical with a propane burner.  I remember seeing a picture of the setup a long time ago.



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Posted 14 December 2016 - 09:11 AM

Makes me wonder if anyone has put a heating element in a conical. You could BIAB, chill then dump the trub.

 

 

I'm pretty sure there was a company who was selling an ill-fated version of what you're describing.  They had some big quality control/customer service issues.  There was a long thread about it on HBT.  The conical was jacketed for cooling and IIRC several people burst the jacketing/collapsed the conical with household pressure water.  The vendor did not make it clear it was not designed to hold household pressure and would not honor returns from the people that killed their all-in-one conical.  I have to assume they went under since the backlash was pretty fierce.

 

In any case, with all of the new information about trub levels being kind of meaningless, I'm not even going to bother taking it out.  Everything that goes in stays in.  Well, except hops.  I'll be using hop bags.

 

My initial thought is to use an industrial Peltier cooling system and a dual stage temp controller to manage fermentation temps, although I'm not quite sold on that.  Since I'm going to have the coil in the kettle it seems like I should use it, but I may just go traditional with the ferment control.  A decent sized, good quality thermoelectric cooler will run several hundred plus the high amp PSU and circulation pump.  TBD...


ETA:  Nope, still around:

 

Brew In A Conical:

httpss://brewhaequipment.com/products/biac-all-in-one-brewing-system-package

 

$3100 for 5 gal system

 

$4200 for 10 gal system

 

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Edited by JKor, 14 December 2016 - 09:18 AM.


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Posted 14 December 2016 - 04:09 PM

https://www.craftbeerpi.com/

httpss://github.com/matsstaff/stc1000p/tree/master/ovbsc


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Posted 03 October 2017 - 08:50 AM

Bumping the thread to give myself motivation to get this system running.  I also just realized I never posted any pics.  I'll get on that...



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Posted 03 October 2017 - 08:54 AM

Bumping the thread to give myself motivation to get this system running.  I also just realized I never posted any pics.  I'll get on that...

It's not like you're busy or traveling or something. :P

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Posted 03 October 2017 - 09:03 AM

The pics aren't great. Here's the frame.

 

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I wanted to use my 25gal pot but also have good insulation so I don't need to continuously heat.  I used some polyiso foam board and kerfed it so it would wrap around the pot.  I wanted it to be 2" thick so I used 2 layers of 1" board on the sides and top/bottom.  This is what came out of it:

 

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Posted 10 October 2017 - 06:55 PM

Ironically, i built this whole BIAB system with the expectation that I probably wouldn't have a ton of space to brew any time in the near future, if ever. Then a few months later i bought a house with a decked out barn with enough space for a brewery of virtually any size. Funny how life works sometimes.

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Posted 10 October 2017 - 07:03 PM

I don't think i made it clear in the original post, but the design goal of this system was to be able to nest the entire contraption into the 25g pot and store it there when done brewing. I don't think I'll end up completing that portion of the design now since this will likely be a permanent fixture.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 05:51 AM

After decidIng i was going to give BIAB a real go, i've ordered a bunch of parts to piece together a hoist system to do 10-15 gal batches in my 25g kettle. Yesterday i built the frame for the electric hoist using perforated square tube. I bought 4 sizes that each nest inside eachother (2.25", 2", 1.75", 1.5") so i could break it down and store easily after use. I welded up a base, with 2" tube, for stability. I already had most of the base frame welded up from the half complete single tier system i started years ago (doh!). At least i finally made use of that frame, part of it anyway.

I'll post some pics up later today when i get to my computer. I might get a batch in later tonight, but it's borderline.

 

 

LOL, in the first post in the thread I said I may get a batch in that day...10 months later still no batch.



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 09:18 AM

That insulation set-up is cool.   What sort of tool did you use to notch the board so it would bend?



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 11:20 AM

Just a plain old table saw.  I made a score 3/4 of the way through the board about every 1.5" or so.  It's a common technique for bending wood.

 




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